New batch of declassified MoD UAP files just dropped — what's actually in them?

by Scott L. · 4 years ago 435 views 7 replies
Scott L.
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For those who haven't seen it yet, the National Archives quietly updated their holdings last Tuesday with another tranche of Ministry of Defence UFO files covering roughly 1991 to 1996. No press release, no announcement, just appeared in the catalogue. Classic. You'd think after the American disclosure circus they'd have learned something about managing public expectations, but apparently not - we're still doing the "slip it out on a Tuesday and hope nobody notices" approach.

I've spent the better part of the weekend going through the ones that have been digitised (a lot still aren't, which is its own conversation) and there are a few things worth flagging for the community. Firstly, there's a fairly detailed report from RAF Kinloss in November 1993 describing a triangular craft observed by two officers during a routine perimeter check. The craft was described as silent, approximately the size of a football pitch, and stationary at low altitude for around four minutes before departing at speed. The MoD's assessment? "Probably aircraft lights seen under unusual atmospheric conditions." Four minutes. Silent. Football-pitch-sized. Atmospheric conditions.

Secondly, and this one I find more interesting in some ways, there are internal memos discussing the public relations implications of various cases rather than their content. Someone in Whitehall was clearly very concerned about how these things looked, which implies they thought there was something to look bad about. You don't write nervous memos about "perception management" for swamp gas.

I'll post more specific document references as I work through them. Has anyone else started digging? Particularly interested if anyone's found anything connected to the Scottish Highlands incidents from that period.

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Cheers for flagging this - I'd completely missed the update. The Kinloss report sounds consistent with a wave of triangular craft sightings across northern Scotland in the early nineties that never got the attention the Rendlesham Forest incident did, possibly because there were fewer American servicemen involved to kick up a fuss about it. Nick Pope was at the MoD desk for some of this period and has talked about the triangles in interviews, though he's always carefully non-committal about what he personally thinks they were.

Oliver K.
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The "atmospheric conditions" catch-all is genuinely embarrassing at this point. I've been collecting MoD responses to UAP reports going back to the seventies and it's remarkable how consistent the dismissive language is regardless of what the actual report describes. Ball lightning, atmospheric conditions, misidentified aircraft - three phrases that apparently explain everything from a light in the sky to a structured craft observed at close range by trained military personnel. The template never really changes.

What I'd love to see - and what these releases never seem to include - is the internal analysis that presumably existed before the official dismissal was written. Someone had to decide to call it atmospheric conditions. Where's that conversation?

Bobby K.
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You don't write nervous memos about "perception management" for swamp gas.

This is the best single sentence I've read on this forum in months, and I'm going to be quoting it at people. Absolutely spot on. The bureaucratic anxiety visible in some of these documents is, to my mind, more compelling evidence that something real was being dealt with than any number of eyewitness accounts.

Eldritch Mothman298
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Do you have the catalogue references for the digitised ones? I tried searching the National Archives site yesterday and their UAP/UFO filing system is absolutely chaotic - things are spread across Air Ministry, MoD, and Cabinet Office holdings with no consistent indexing. I spent an hour and found nothing newer than 1987. Either the Tuesday upload isn't showing on my end or I'm searching for the wrong terms.

River Misty869
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I'll be the voice of mild caution here and say that the gap between "nervous PR memo" and "cover-up of extraterrestrial contact" is still quite a large one. Governments write anxious perception-management documents about all sorts of things that turn out to be mundane: agricultural disease outbreaks, nuclear near-misses, embarrassing procurement decisions. The MoD not wanting a public conversation about things flying over RAF bases is entirely consistent with ordinary institutional defensiveness. That doesn't mean the Kinloss sighting was swamp gas. It just means the memos alone don't tell us what it was.

Sunny Magpie
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The Scottish Highlands connection is one I've been quietly researching for about two years. There's a cluster of reports - some officially filed, some just local accounts collected by researchers in Inverness and Fort William - from roughly 1992 to 1995 that describe very similar objects: triangular, silent, low and slow, then gone in an instant. The geography is interesting because several of the sightings are near hydroelectric infrastructure. I'm not sure what to make of that but it seems worth noting. Will try to write it up properly when I've got time.

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Slightly off-topic but has anyone actually visited the National Archives in Kew to look at the physical files? I went about four years ago to look at some of the earlier Condign report material and the experience of sitting there with actual government documents about UFOs, in an official building, being served them by a very polite archivist who clearly thought I was completely normal for requesting them... it was genuinely surreal. Recommend it if you're within reasonable distance of London.

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