Honest question: is any of our equipment actually doing what we think it's doing?

by Sandra T. · 4 years ago 592 views 8 replies
Sandra T.
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I want to start by saying I've been doing investigations for eight years and I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here. But I've been doing a lot of reading lately about the actual scientific basis - or lack thereof - for some of the equipment we use as standard, and I think the community needs to have a more honest conversation about this. So here goes.

EMF meters: We use them to detect supposed spirit energy. They were designed to detect electromagnetic fields from electrical sources. There is no established mechanism by which a deceased person's consciousness would generate an electromagnetic field. The readings we get in old buildings are almost always attributable to old wiring, pipes, and structural materials. I'm not saying anomalous readings are meaningless - I'm saying we don't know what they mean and treating a K2 spike as a spirit saying hello is a significant leap.

Spirit boxes: Radio sweep devices that cycle through frequencies. Any words or phrases heard in the output are, by the most parsimonious explanation, fragments of actual radio broadcasts interpreted through pattern recognition - the same cognitive mechanism that makes us see faces in clouds. Again: doesn't mean nothing interesting is ever happening. Does mean we should be very cautious.

I still think systematic investigation of anomalous locations is worthwhile. I just think we'd be taken more seriously - and serve ourselves better - if we were honest about what our tools can and can't tell us. Thoughts? Prepared for a fight.

cheeky_warden
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You're largely right and I'll add another one to the list: thermal imaging cameras. A cold spot is usually a cold spot - a draughty window, a stone floor, differential heating from an old radiator. Thermal imaging is excellent at detecting heat variation. It is not a ghost detector. It has never been validated as a ghost detector. And yet the footage of someone pointing a FLIR at a corner and gasping is practically its own genre at this point. I use thermal on investigations as a tool for ruling out environmental causes of cold spots. That's the appropriate use.

quiet_lurker
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Partly agree, partly don't. The equipment is a starting point for investigation, not an endpoint. Nobody serious claims a K2 meter proves a spirit is present - the claim is that unusual readings in the context of other unusual activity is worth noting and following up. The problem isn't the equipment per se, it's the epistemics around it. Used carefully with good controls and environmental baselines, even a basic EMF meter can help you rule things out, which is valuable. It's when people treat the gadget as an oracle that things go wrong.

Robin H.
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Prepared for a fight.

You won't get one from me - this is exactly the sort of conversation we should be having more often. I'd add REM pods to the list. They detect disruption to a self-referencing electromagnetic field. Fine. But the threshold for triggering them is often very low and they're routinely set up in locations where air movement, other investigators moving nearby, or even the temperature changing is enough to set them off. I've watched a REM pod trigger seventeen times in one evening and been told each time that it was a spirit responding to questions. By the end I was counting ceiling tiles to stay sane.

prickly_magpie158
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The spirit box criticism is fair but I'd distinguish between the words people hear output and using white noise or audio sweep as a potential carrier for something anomalous, which is a different proposition - one that some researchers take seriously as a methodology even if it's unvalidated. Whether that makes it more or less credible is a fair debate. What I'd say is: I've had three experiences with audio sweep where the output corresponded specifically and accurately to information I had not spoken aloud and was not general knowledge. I documented them. I can't explain them. I don't know what that means but I haven't stopped thinking about it either.

SpectralPortal306
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Genuine question from someone newer to investigations: if the standard equipment isn't reliable, what should we be using? Like practically speaking, if I'm going to a location - let's say somewhere like a reportedly active farmhouse in the Welsh borders - what's the toolkit that would actually give meaningful data? I've spent about £400 on kit over the last year and now I'm wondering if I'd have been better off with a decent video camera and a notepad.

Aberdeen Moth
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if I'm going to a location... what's the toolkit that would actually give meaningful data?

Honest answer: a good quality audio recorder (I use a Tascam DR-40X, about £120), a decent full-spectrum camcorder, a standard thermometer you've calibrated yourself, and - this is the important bit - a written environmental baseline done before the investigation starts. Note every source of EMF, every draughty door, every sound the building makes as it settles. Then when something anomalous occurs you have something to compare it against. Not glamorous. Doesn't look good on YouTube. But it's actually useful.

Chalky787
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The notebook and video camera comment is closer to the truth than most people want to admit. The most compelling cases in the literature - Borley Rectory investigations aside, which have their own methodological issues - involve careful systematic observation and documentation rather than gadgetry. Harry Price had his problems but at least he understood that witness testimony carefully collected and cross-referenced is more evidentially robust than a flashing light on a mass-produced piece of plastic. We've somehow gone backwards since the 1930s in terms of investigative rigour, which is quite an achievement.

Gene N.
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I will defend the humble dowsing rod to my last breath purely on the basis that it costs nothing, has been used for centuries, and produces results that are no less scientifically validated than a £200 spirit box. Which I appreciate is a low bar. But if we're being honest about the evidence base, at least I'm not pretending my bent copper wire is a precision instrument.

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